tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post3970316355916739065..comments2023-10-29T10:20:41.321-05:00Comments on Vicki Ross Art: Major Issues with Show Prospectus-sss'VickiRossArthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09258305858132024962noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-25170327012378579502008-09-24T18:48:00.000-05:002008-09-24T18:48:00.000-05:00WHEW! the silence has been deafening...lots of loc...WHEW! the silence has been deafening...lots of local artists looking like the cat sat on the canary :). This was a HUGE eye opener at a local art club meeting last saturday when they came to pick up paintings from our last show. My hubby, Randy, is Prez of the group, which is part of a national group. <BR/><BR/>Seems like everyone has been turning a blind eye to some of the entries (30% or so), and one of the guilty birds squawked, the squawkee sqawked back...which is in part what triggered my rant.<BR/><BR/>Also, these squawkees were all upset because we have no 'rules' in place for artists who win multiple awards (me, got 4 this year...me, got 3 last year).<BR/><BR/>As it turns out, the rules that HAVE been there have been ignored.<BR/><BR/>Has taken a bit of the smile from my face, knowing that judging with signatures covered that I could actually do so well.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I've never blanched from taking up the flag! It is damn easy to work from your own source material...and much more entertaining and challenging! AND, then win 4 out of 17 awards out of 105 entries. <BR/><BR/>SMILE!<BR/><BR/>vickilouVickiRossArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258305858132024962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-25954348251971050032008-09-24T18:38:00.000-05:002008-09-24T18:38:00.000-05:00WELL SAID, Vicki. I guess I live in a vacuum but ...WELL SAID, Vicki. I guess I live in a vacuum but I had no idea this controversy was going on. Have had my nose in my own stuff lately and have not been keeping up with the blogs. BUT...I just spent a chunk of time chasing after your links and I'm hearing myself say, "well, well..."<BR/><BR/>You've said it all so well in your blog entry. And I so much of approve of every word. The concept of "original" is one I've fought for all my career and there have been some bloody battles, believe me. <BR/><BR/>It's actually simple, isn't it. But there will always be folks who seem to find all sorts of ways around simplicity. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, fair forward brave one! I've got my shield and sword and am in step. So let's go.Dianne Mizehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06290943648650327077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-1440201443963091052008-09-24T14:50:00.000-05:002008-09-24T14:50:00.000-05:00Yup. Amazing how many artists skip over the word '...Yup. Amazing how many artists skip over the word 'original' and 'from your own source photo or set-up'. I guess my main issue is with teachers who don't stress this issue with their students. As a matter of fact, some even encourage copying from calendars, newspaper photos, etc. without ever giving them the consequences.<BR/><BR/>redVickiRossArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258305858132024962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-33386269686585233862008-09-24T14:42:00.000-05:002008-09-24T14:42:00.000-05:00I'm sure this controversy will be humming in the a...I'm sure this controversy will be humming in the art community for a while and some professionals will be surprised to find out that their normal practice is in question. For example the wildlife artists who rely on stock photos for their careers because for one, they are not skilled as photographers and don't have the time or the inkling to brave certain environments for their art.Art By Erikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076726403159256165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-89334983430046596992008-09-24T10:23:00.000-05:002008-09-24T10:23:00.000-05:00Theresa, as you know, I goofed up big time on one ...Theresa, as you know, I goofed up big time on one show, but laughed (somewhat embarrassed) when I figured out that I hadn't even read the prospectus!<BR/><BR/>There are lots of grey areas, and I still do not know how art 'powers' manage the grey areas. Randy (a photog) says the only SURE way is to send the photog out with YOUR camera.<BR/><BR/>Obviously a difference between professional photography and casual snapshots you just happen to see 'a painting' in from the shapes, etc. Artists see different shapes than a prof. photog...values, masses, etc. <BR/><BR/>It is also easier for me to find the painting in bad snapshots...Ann Templeton is a master at this.VickiRossArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258305858132024962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-81145876987014718402008-09-24T09:27:00.000-05:002008-09-24T09:27:00.000-05:00In my early years I painted from photos of others....In my early years I painted from photos of others...never sold them though. I still copy the greats, Sargent, mostly....but would never think of trying to pass it off as my own...the differences are obvious to anyone. As for now...Max does take pictures under my direction, my set up, my pose etc. But I also use a self timer if I am in the photo for lack of a model. Many great points brought up here, Vicki, and all easily understood.Theresa Rankinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16535660965303061775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-90975427263228418322008-09-23T21:21:00.000-05:002008-09-23T21:21:00.000-05:00Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Like I said, I've mi...Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Like I said, I've misplaced, not read, and goofed up on a few prospectus-sss, and was embarrassed when I realized. Mistakes happen.<BR/><BR/>Outright deviant actions are abhorrent! Not fun to 'compete' with artists who copy...when most of us try intensely to do 'original' work. Kinda gives the copiers a head start.<BR/><BR/> Red!VickiRossArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258305858132024962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-67649668488895400292008-09-23T21:17:00.000-05:002008-09-23T21:17:00.000-05:00Well said Dennis oops I meant RED! I think we all...Well said Dennis oops I meant RED! I think we all just need to read the fine prints before entering shows. <BR/><BR/>That controversial AWS piece is just so suspicious I wonder if the artist made it a life challenge to put one over the organization because of the strict rules lol Some people just don't have anything better to do. I do highly suspect it's a giclee or "digitally enhanced" image printed on watercolor paper.Art By Erikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17076726403159256165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-23163436342331370082008-09-23T11:19:00.000-05:002008-09-23T11:19:00.000-05:00Yes, high mountains are not on my list of things t...Yes, high mountains are not on my list of things to do. Yes, I have had this discussion with bff Erika, who relies on her wheelchair for transportation...and mountains are definitely not on her radar.<BR/><BR/>I don't know the answers...just raising the questions. In my mind, what you propose 'should' be OK (man I hate shoulda-coulda-woulda). However, this issue with AWS appears to be WAY on the other side of your question! Be interesting to see how this one plays out. And like I said, when you over-define something you create more loopholes. <BR/><BR/>It should just boil down to following the prospectus for the individual show you are entering. They are different. And if in your heart of hearts you KNOW your work is original, as original as it can be, go with it.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, some people look for ways to 'cheat' the system. If they would spend as much time studying and 'seeing' for themselves they might win major awards under their own steam.<BR/><BR/>As for Randy, he wouldn't mind a bit...or take your camera to shoot with...but that's Randy. Sometimes greed and ego rear their ugly heads and that photographer wants some of the glory your national award winning painting received. Oops, then you are in a position of defending yourself.<BR/><BR/>GREAT QUESTION! Hopefully we'll get some other ideas.VickiRossArthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258305858132024962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2902607246533124427.post-84683260728387538592008-09-23T10:36:00.000-05:002008-09-23T10:36:00.000-05:00well said! Here's a question - say you are ancien...well said! Here's a question - say you are ancient (old enough to find getting out in the high mountains difficult) can you hire a photographer to take your source photos for you? Since Randy is a photographer, I thought he would know. Just the photos - the artist could then crop, change, whatever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com